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TTChuck
Posted: Saturday, July 18, 2009 10:51:46 AM
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NOTE as of 1/17/2010 - The following link has updated information to this post based on changes made by YouTube - http://www.tubetoolbox.com/BulkSendingGuide.aspx

Over the years, we have received many questions regarding bulk sending. There are several forum posts that respond to this question. I went through & tried to combine the responses into this one post. I apolgoize for the length of this post but I tried to include as much information as possible.

Q: What are YouTube's sending limits?
A. YouTube has put the following restrictions in place in order to reduce SPAM...
Comments: After every 5 comments that you post, you will need to enter a Security Code (commonly referred to as 'CAPTCHA'). This is YouTube's way of stopping automated bots like Tube Toolbox. We have 2 ways to get around this problem. The first way is that you can manually enter the Security Code right in to Tube Toolbox and Tube Toolbox will resume posting your comments. The problem with this technique is that it requires you to be at your computer. The second option is to have Tube Toolbox wait until the restriction is removed (15 minutes), then continue the automated sending. This does not require you to be at your computer. Before you start your bulk sending, you can select between the two options.

Messages: YouTube limits the number of messages that you can send within a given period of time. You can send approximately 6 messages every 15 minutes before YouTube tells you that you need to wait before sending more messages. Tube Toolbox is set up to wait until the restriction is removed and then continue the automated sending. Aside from sending limits, you can only send the exact same message a limited amount of times per day. If your message contains a URL, then we have found you can only send the same message less than 5 times in a day. Because of this, we allow you to enter multiple messages into Tube Toolbox and the software will alternate between them as it does its automated sending. You should also consider Multi-Account sending to get the most out of Tube Toolbox.

Friend Requests: Just like sending messages, there are limits with the number of Friend Requests which can be sent within a given period of time. And just like messages, Tube Toolbox will automatically wait until the limit is removed and continue its automated sending.

Q: Tube Toolbox waits 2 minutes for every friend invite, and after the 2 minutes is over. It just restarts the 2 minutes again. This is definitely not what I expected.
A: Tube Toolbox automates the process of sending Friend Requests. The problem is that YouTube will only allow you to send about 15 Friend Requests every 10 minutes. So, let’s say you are sending to 1,000 users and you put your "Send Delay" at 20 seconds within Tube Toolbox. A typical sending session might go something like this...

1. Your first 15 will get sent in about 3 minute’s time (20 second delay between each).
2. Then, you will need to wait 10 minutes before sending another 15 because YouTube temporarily blocks you. The way that Tube Toolbox does this, is it keeps re-trying every 2 minutes until the restriction has been removed (this is the "2 minutes" that you are seeing and were complaining about). YouTube put this in place so that Friend Request sending doesn't get out of control.
3. Your next 15 will get sent in about 3 minutes time (20 second delay between each).
4. This processes keeps repeating over and over.

So, it may seem slow, but... you can easily gain thousands of friends in a week’s time. The beauty is, it sends while you sleep, while you're at work, etc. So, you gain valuable time to focus on your videos, product or business.

Q: Why is it that when I'm sending out bulk messages to users the software always shows a much higher number of messages as SENT whereas my YouTube sent messages it shows a lower number? It seems like the messages the software sends don't all go...
A: This is a confusing issue because there is not a direct answer. If you use a regular browser and send say 20 messages out with the exact same text, you will notice that it says "Message Successfully Sent" but after 10 or so, they will not show up in your outbox. There are cases where they won't show up for minutes or hours or even never. It is a way that YouTube blocks SPAM - by saying "Message Successfully Sent" when it actually didn't send. The weird thing is sometimes you can refresh your outbox and they will be in there, then if you refresh again, they are gone. So their system seems to be a little buggy - maybe intentional, maybe not.

What we have found is that the majority of the time this has to do with sending the same message out multiple times. So, what we recommend is coming up with many (20+) unique messages that you cycle through when doing your sending. Every time you use the software, just write up a new message and eventually you will have a nice big list to use. They must be truly different messages - not just adding spaces or changing a couple words around.

As of Version 2.8, we have added a "Only Add to Sending History if found in Sent Folder" option. This was added as an option (check box) to Bulk Message Sending because of YouTube's strange behavior with Message Sending. This was added so that a message would only be truely marked as a success if it is found in your Sent Folder.


Q: What are ideal time delays for the automated bulk process, in order to keep everything flowing as fast as possible while not breaking YouTube rules?
A: If you are sending from only one account here are the ideal delay timings.

When sending Friend Requests, an ideal send delay is 1 minute. So, a minimum of 45 seconds and a max of 1 minute and 15 seconds would be good.

When Subscribing to Channels, an ideal send delay is 1 minute and 30 seconds. So, a minimum of 1 minute and 15 seconds and a max of 1 minuute and 45 seconds would be good.

When Sending Messages (using 1 single account - no additional accounts and rotating between 3 messages), an ideal send delay is 2 minutes and 30 seconds. So, a minimum of 2 minute and 15 seconds and a max of 2 minuute and 45 seconds would be good.

When Sharing Bulk Videos (using 1 single account - no additional accounts), an ideal send delay is 3 minutes. So, a minimum of 2 minute and 45 seconds and a max of 3 minuute and 15 seconds would be good.

When Posting Comments on profiles (and not manually entering CATCHA / Security Code), an idea send delay is 4 minutes. So, a minimum of 3 minutes and 45 seconds and a max of 4 minutes and 15 seconds would be good.

Again, these numbers allow you to send the maximum number of items based on YouTube's limits without actually hitting the limit or rarely hitting it. Putting Send Delays less than these values will not allow you to send any more over a period of time.

If you have more than one account you are sending from you should experiment with different lower delay settings. Remember, we allow up to 4 Personal accounts with each Professional account.

Q: If I send out multiple messages to reduce YouTube’s restrictions, how different do the messages need to be?
You can't post the exact same message more than a couple times (at least within a short period of time).

I opened a regular Internet Browser and posted the comment "Hello, how are you?" on several profiles. After the 2nd profile, the page would automatically show the new comment, but if I refreshed the user's profile, the comment would no longer be there. YouTube "tricks" the user into making it look like the comment is posted but on a refresh of the page, it is actually not there. That is why Tube Toolbox is fooled into thinking it is a success - but the immediate response is "Success!" from YouTube when in actuality, it did not post.

By adding a single word to my comment, I was able to post a couple more, but then the same thing happened. So, it looks like the only way to get around it, is to enter a massive number of unique comments. Which isn't a bad idea anyway because it will look less spammy if people are receiving different messages.

Bottom line, is that the best option to send as many messages/comments as possible is to have multiple accounts (you can have 4 personal accounts for every Professional account) and multiple messages (at least 15-20). If you use this setup, you can change your minimum delay times to be a few seconds (the restriction will still occur but not as much because you have multiple accounts). This will reduce the delay times significantly. The delays are due to YouTube monitoring the sending of messages and their algorithms to find spammers. There will always be delays, it is a matter of the length of those delays.

Q. Okay, I understand the best way to send lots of messages is to have multiple accounts and multiple messages. However, when someone sends messages, shares videos & sends friend requests from multiple accounts (1 professional & 4 personal), does it all look like it is coming from the same account (i.e. their professional account)? A. No, it does not look like all are coming from the same account. If you are sending messages or sharing a video and trying to promote a YouTube channel, then we recommend styling your 4 additional accounts to look similar to your main account and having similar videos posted. That way when people look at your additional accounts, they will get information pertaining to your main account. You could also provide links and information that points them to your main account.

You cannot send Friend Requests using multiple accounts so that is not an issue. If you are sending messages using multiple accounts and have the 'Automatically send Friend Request after message' check box checked, then Tube Toolbox will ALWAYS send the Friend Request from the Professional account that you are logged in with - never the 4 additional accounts that you have selected.

If you are promoting a Website or Product outside of YouTube then it is not as important to spend time making your additional accounts look as nice because you really just want to get info about your product or service to the person and have them look at your website. You wouldn't really care as much about them visiting your YouTube Channel.

So in summary, there is no definitive link between your additional accounts and your main account. You can make your additional accounts look similar to your main account just in case people visit the page and look around. You can also tell people on your additional channels to view your main channel.
Guest
Posted: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:51:00 PM
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Out of curiosity, what qualifies as a "unique" message? I get that simply copy-pasting and changing three or four words won't cut it, but what sort of degree of flexibility are we talking about here? I understand that you obviously won't have access to straightforward numbers or algorithms or anything, but is there a ballpark figure we should be looking at? Just trying to understand.

Cheers!
Toolman
Posted: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:14:24 AM
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Quote:
Out of curiosity, what qualifies as a "unique" message? I get that simply copy-pasting and changing three or four words won't cut it, but what sort of degree of flexibility are we talking about here? I understand that you obviously won't have access to straightforward numbers or algorithms or anything, but is there a ballpark figure we should be looking at? Just trying to understand.


I think if you basically write each message from scratch, not thinking about your previous messages, that is a good way to go about it. Because you're generally not going to type the exact same thing twice. Like you mentioned, we don't have access to any algorithms so your guess is as good as ours but based on our testing, changing words is always better than re-arranging words/sentences and punctuation changes never help.
chemer2010
Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:35:17 PM
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TTChuck wrote:
NOTE as of 1/17/2010 - The following link has updated information to this post based on changes made by YouTube - http://www.tubetoolbox.com/BulkSendingGuide.aspx

Thats as maybe but I have over 6000 subs and the sincronise subs feature only will get my first 1004 subs. So something is up there.

Steve

Over the years, we have received many questions regarding bulk sending. There are several forum posts that respond to this question. I went through & tried to combine the responses into this one post. I apolgoize for the length of this post but I tried to include as much information as possible.

Q: What are YouTube's sending limits?
A. YouTube has put the following restrictions in place in order to reduce SPAM...
Comments: After every 5 comments that you post, you will need to enter a Security Code (commonly referred to as 'CAPTCHA'). This is YouTube's way of stopping automated bots like Tube Toolbox. We have 2 ways to get around this problem. The first way is that you can manually enter the Security Code right in to Tube Toolbox and Tube Toolbox will resume posting your comments. The problem with this technique is that it requires you to be at your computer. The second option is to have Tube Toolbox wait until the restriction is removed (15 minutes), then continue the automated sending. This does not require you to be at your computer. Before you start your bulk sending, you can select between the two options.

Messages: YouTube limits the number of messages that you can send within a given period of time. You can send approximately 6 messages every 15 minutes before YouTube tells you that you need to wait before sending more messages. Tube Toolbox is set up to wait until the restriction is removed and then continue the automated sending. Aside from sending limits, you can only send the exact same message a limited amount of times per day. If your message contains a URL, then we have found you can only send the same message less than 5 times in a day. Because of this, we allow you to enter multiple messages into Tube Toolbox and the software will alternate between them as it does its automated sending. You should also consider Multi-Account sending to get the most out of Tube Toolbox.

Friend Requests: Just like sending messages, there are limits with the number of Friend Requests which can be sent within a given period of time. And just like messages, Tube Toolbox will automatically wait until the limit is removed and continue its automated sending.

Q: Tube Toolbox waits 2 minutes for every friend invite, and after the 2 minutes is over. It just restarts the 2 minutes again. This is definitely not what I expected.
A: Tube Toolbox automates the process of sending Friend Requests. The problem is that YouTube will only allow you to send about 15 Friend Requests every 10 minutes. So, let’s say you are sending to 1,000 users and you put your "Send Delay" at 20 seconds within Tube Toolbox. A typical sending session might go something like this...

1. Your first 15 will get sent in about 3 minute’s time (20 second delay between each).
2. Then, you will need to wait 10 minutes before sending another 15 because YouTube temporarily blocks you. The way that Tube Toolbox does this, is it keeps re-trying every 2 minutes until the restriction has been removed (this is the "2 minutes" that you are seeing and were complaining about). YouTube put this in place so that Friend Request sending doesn't get out of control.
3. Your next 15 will get sent in about 3 minutes time (20 second delay between each).
4. This processes keeps repeating over and over.

So, it may seem slow, but... you can easily gain thousands of friends in a week’s time. The beauty is, it sends while you sleep, while you're at work, etc. So, you gain valuable time to focus on your videos, product or business.

Q: Why is it that when I'm sending out bulk messages to users the software always shows a much higher number of messages as SENT whereas my YouTube sent messages it shows a lower number? It seems like the messages the software sends don't all go...
A: This is a confusing issue because there is not a direct answer. If you use a regular browser and send say 20 messages out with the exact same text, you will notice that it says "Message Successfully Sent" but after 10 or so, they will not show up in your outbox. There are cases where they won't show up for minutes or hours or even never. It is a way that YouTube blocks SPAM - by saying "Message Successfully Sent" when it actually didn't send. The weird thing is sometimes you can refresh your outbox and they will be in there, then if you refresh again, they are gone. So their system seems to be a little buggy - maybe intentional, maybe not.

What we have found is that the majority of the time this has to do with sending the same message out multiple times. So, what we recommend is coming up with many (20+) unique messages that you cycle through when doing your sending. Every time you use the software, just write up a new message and eventually you will have a nice big list to use. They must be truly different messages - not just adding spaces or changing a couple words around.

As of Version 2.8, we have added a "Only Add to Sending History if found in Sent Folder" option. This was added as an option (check box) to Bulk Message Sending because of YouTube's strange behavior with Message Sending. This was added so that a message would only be truely marked as a success if it is found in your Sent Folder.


Q: What are ideal time delays for the automated bulk process, in order to keep everything flowing as fast as possible while not breaking YouTube rules?
A: If you are sending from only one account here are the ideal delay timings.

When sending Friend Requests, an ideal send delay is 1 minute. So, a minimum of 45 seconds and a max of 1 minute and 15 seconds would be good.

When Subscribing to Channels, an ideal send delay is 1 minute and 30 seconds. So, a minimum of 1 minute and 15 seconds and a max of 1 minuute and 45 seconds would be good.

When Sending Messages (using 1 single account - no additional accounts and rotating between 3 messages), an ideal send delay is 2 minutes and 30 seconds. So, a minimum of 2 minute and 15 seconds and a max of 2 minuute and 45 seconds would be good.

When Sharing Bulk Videos (using 1 single account - no additional accounts), an ideal send delay is 3 minutes. So, a minimum of 2 minute and 45 seconds and a max of 3 minuute and 15 seconds would be good.

When Posting Comments on profiles (and not manually entering CATCHA / Security Code), an idea send delay is 4 minutes. So, a minimum of 3 minutes and 45 seconds and a max of 4 minutes and 15 seconds would be good.

Again, these numbers allow you to send the maximum number of items based on YouTube's limits without actually hitting the limit or rarely hitting it. Putting Send Delays less than these values will not allow you to send any more over a period of time.

If you have more than one account you are sending from you should experiment with different lower delay settings. Remember, we allow up to 4 Personal accounts with each Professional account.

Q: If I send out multiple messages to reduce YouTube’s restrictions, how different do the messages need to be?
You can't post the exact same message more than a couple times (at least within a short period of time).

I opened a regular Internet Browser and posted the comment "Hello, how are you?" on several profiles. After the 2nd profile, the page would automatically show the new comment, but if I refreshed the user's profile, the comment would no longer be there. YouTube "tricks" the user into making it look like the comment is posted but on a refresh of the page, it is actually not there. That is why Tube Toolbox is fooled into thinking it is a success - but the immediate response is "Success!" from YouTube when in actuality, it did not post.

By adding a single word to my comment, I was able to post a couple more, but then the same thing happened. So, it looks like the only way to get around it, is to enter a massive number of unique comments. Which isn't a bad idea anyway because it will look less spammy if people are receiving different messages.

Bottom line, is that the best option to send as many messages/comments as possible is to have multiple accounts (you can have 4 personal accounts for every Professional account) and multiple messages (at least 15-20). If you use this setup, you can change your minimum delay times to be a few seconds (the restriction will still occur but not as much because you have multiple accounts). This will reduce the delay times significantly. The delays are due to YouTube monitoring the sending of messages and their algorithms to find spammers. There will always be delays, it is a matter of the length of those delays.

Q. Okay, I understand the best way to send lots of messages is to have multiple accounts and multiple messages. However, when someone sends messages, shares videos & sends friend requests from multiple accounts (1 professional & 4 personal), does it all look like it is coming from the same account (i.e. their professional account)? A. No, it does not look like all are coming from the same account. If you are sending messages or sharing a video and trying to promote a YouTube channel, then we recommend styling your 4 additional accounts to look similar to your main account and having similar videos posted. That way when people look at your additional accounts, they will get information pertaining to your main account. You could also provide links and information that points them to your main account.

You cannot send Friend Requests using multiple accounts so that is not an issue. If you are sending messages using multiple accounts and have the 'Automatically send Friend Request after message' check box checked, then Tube Toolbox will ALWAYS send the Friend Request from the Professional account that you are logged in with - never the 4 additional accounts that you have selected.

If you are promoting a Website or Product outside of YouTube then it is not as important to spend time making your additional accounts look as nice because you really just want to get info about your product or service to the person and have them look at your website. You wouldn't really care as much about them visiting your YouTube Channel.

So in summary, there is no definitive link between your additional accounts and your main account. You can make your additional accounts look similar to your main account just in case people visit the page and look around. You can also tell people on your additional channels to view your main channel.
thealexangroup
Posted: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:56:53 AM
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Quote:
Q: If I send out multiple messages to reduce YouTube’s restrictions, how different do the messages need to be?
You can't post the exact same message more than a couple times (at least within a short period of time).


if you send out a ton of messages on a regular basis and need to make them unique to YT, what i would recommend, to churn out a set of 15 unique messages in pretty quick time, is use an article spinning software like... (attention "promo plug alert") The Best Spinner

software will change as many words as you like, to make it as unique as you want. (recommend making it at least 33% unique)

if you don't know what an article spinner is, just watch the vid at The Best Spinner

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mikehobbs
Posted: Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:23:49 PM
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Just curious...

If we set it up with a time delay to not go over the 660 per day but it took 24 hours to do that. Could we just run tube tool box all day and night every day without getting in trouble?

For example I just set it to send 5,000 friend requests and let it go with the time delay until its all done. That would take days.

Would we get in trouble for this?

Mike


Toolman
Posted: Sunday, January 23, 2011 3:12:46 PM
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Mike - yes, we have many customer who run it 24/7 without any problems.

YouTube does not ban you because you use Tube Toolbox.

For example, if you have adult or stolen content on your channel and you send out 1 message/friend request manually per day, you probably won't get banned. But if you use Tube Toolbox, you will get a lot of exposure and people will flag your account and you will get banned much sooner.

What I'm trying to say is... as long as you have legal content on your channel, you will be fine.
YoutubeMaster
Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:50:11 AM
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HI, Im having real problems with youtube accepting my video shares from toolbox. I dont know if its a problem with the latest updates or youtube itself.

My computer crashed so i had to reinstall all my software including the toolbox software. Earlier this year tool box was working great, go for hours without a problem. I was loving it.
Right now I cant send a simple video share (with comment) from my old or brand new channels. I get zero sent and i get the sending delay message from the very first send. I was getting up to 200 shares to start with before it would lock on message delay, which I had set at 15 minutes. I could leave it for hours and it wouldnt send one more share past around 200. As I said, right now it does it from the very first send.

So now im using the bulk message sending which is slower than my mother who has been dead for 25 years.
Any idea what is up with the video share?

When it was sending 200 before sticking on delay I used 5 channels and had it set at 3-4 minute intervals between sends with 15 minute delay.

This is a brand new download. I had the problem and deleted toolbox and reinstalled it and it still happens. Right now I get a delay message on the very first send from video share no matter what channel is the very first send. Hope you have some ideas for me. Thanks, RB.
8itup
Posted: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:10:22 PM
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TTChuck wrote:
NOTE as of 1/17/2010 - The following link has updated information to this post based on changes made by YouTube - http://www.tubetoolbox.com/BulkSendingGuide.aspx

Over the years, we have received many questions regarding bulk sending. There are several forum posts that respond to this question. I went through & tried to combine the responses into this one post. I apolgoize for the length of this post but I tried to include as much information as possible.

Q: What are YouTube's sending limits?
A. YouTube has put the following restrictions in place in order to reduce SPAM...
Comments: After every 5 comments that you post, you will need to enter a Security Code (commonly referred to as 'CAPTCHA'). This is YouTube's way of stopping automated bots like Tube Toolbox. We have 2 ways to get around this problem. The first way is that you can manually enter the Security Code right in to Tube Toolbox and Tube Toolbox will resume posting your comments. The problem with this technique is that it requires you to be at your computer. The second option is to have Tube Toolbox wait until the restriction is removed (15 minutes), then continue the automated sending. This does not require you to be at your computer. Before you start your bulk sending, you can select between the two options.

Messages: YouTube limits the number of messages that you can send within a given period of time. You can send approximately 6 messages every 15 minutes before YouTube tells you that you need to wait before sending more messages. Tube Toolbox is set up to wait until the restriction is removed and then continue the automated sending. Aside from sending limits, you can only send the exact same message a limited amount of times per day. If your message contains a URL, then we have found you can only send the same message less than 5 times in a day. Because of this, we allow you to enter multiple messages into Tube Toolbox and the software will alternate between them as it does its automated sending. You should also consider Multi-Account sending to get the most out of Tube Toolbox.

Friend Requests: Just like sending messages, there are limits with the number of Friend Requests which can be sent within a given period of time. And just like messages, Tube Toolbox will automatically wait until the limit is removed and continue its automated sending.

Q: Tube Toolbox waits 2 minutes for every friend invite, and after the 2 minutes is over. It just restarts the 2 minutes again. This is definitely not what I expected.
A: Tube Toolbox automates the process of sending Friend Requests. The problem is that YouTube will only allow you to send about 15 Friend Requests every 10 minutes. So, let’s say you are sending to 1,000 users and you put your "Send Delay" at 20 seconds within Tube Toolbox. A typical sending session might go something like this...

1. Your first 15 will get sent in about 3 minute’s time (20 second delay between each).
2. Then, you will need to wait 10 minutes before sending another 15 because YouTube temporarily blocks you. The way that Tube Toolbox does this, is it keeps re-trying every 2 minutes until the restriction has been removed (this is the "2 minutes" that you are seeing and were complaining about). YouTube put this in place so that Friend Request sending doesn't get out of control.
3. Your next 15 will get sent in about 3 minutes time (20 second delay between each).
4. This processes keeps repeating over and over.

So, it may seem slow, but... you can easily gain thousands of friends in a week’s time. The beauty is, it sends while you sleep, while you're at work, etc. So, you gain valuable time to focus on your videos, product or business.

Q: Why is it that when I'm sending out bulk messages to users the software always shows a much higher number of messages as SENT whereas my YouTube sent messages it shows a lower number? It seems like the messages the software sends don't all go...
A: This is a confusing issue because there is not a direct answer. If you use a regular browser and send say 20 messages out with the exact same text, you will notice that it says "Message Successfully Sent" but after 10 or so, they will not show up in your outbox. There are cases where they won't show up for minutes or hours or even never. It is a way that YouTube blocks SPAM - by saying "Message Successfully Sent" when it actually didn't send. The weird thing is sometimes you can refresh your outbox and they will be in there, then if you refresh again, they are gone. So their system seems to be a little buggy - maybe intentional, maybe not.

What we have found is that the majority of the time this has to do with sending the same message out multiple times. So, what we recommend is coming up with many (20+) unique messages that you cycle through when doing your sending. Every time you use the software, just write up a new message and eventually you will have a nice big list to use. They must be truly different messages - not just adding spaces or changing a couple words around.

As of Version 2.8, we have added a "Only Add to Sending History if found in Sent Folder" option. This was added as an option (check box) to Bulk Message Sending because of YouTube's strange behavior with Message Sending. This was added so that a message would only be truely marked as a success if it is found in your Sent Folder.


Q: What are ideal time delays for the automated bulk process, in order to keep everything flowing as fast as possible while not breaking YouTube rules?
A: If you are sending from only one account here are the ideal delay timings.

When sending Friend Requests, an ideal send delay is 1 minute. So, a minimum of 45 seconds and a max of 1 minute and 15 seconds would be good.

When Subscribing to Channels, an ideal send delay is 1 minute and 30 seconds. So, a minimum of 1 minute and 15 seconds and a max of 1 minuute and 45 seconds would be good.

When Sending Messages (using 1 single account - no additional accounts and rotating between 3 messages), an ideal send delay is 2 minutes and 30 seconds. So, a minimum of 2 minute and 15 seconds and a max of 2 minuute and 45 seconds would be good.

When Sharing Bulk Videos (using 1 single account - no additional accounts), an ideal send delay is 3 minutes. So, a minimum of 2 minute and 45 seconds and a max of 3 minuute and 15 seconds would be good.

When Posting Comments on profiles (and not manually entering CATCHA / Security Code), an idea send delay is 4 minutes. So, a minimum of 3 minutes and 45 seconds and a max of 4 minutes and 15 seconds would be good.

Again, these numbers allow you to send the maximum number of items based on YouTube's limits without actually hitting the limit or rarely hitting it. Putting Send Delays less than these values will not allow you to send any more over a period of time.

If you have more than one account you are sending from you should experiment with different lower delay settings. Remember, we allow up to 4 Personal accounts with each Professional account.

Q: If I send out multiple messages to reduce YouTube’s restrictions, how different do the messages need to be?
You can't post the exact same message more than a couple times (at least within a short period of time).

I opened a regular Internet Browser and posted the comment "Hello, how are you?" on several profiles. After the 2nd profile, the page would automatically show the new comment, but if I refreshed the user's profile, the comment would no longer be there. YouTube "tricks" the user into making it look like the comment is posted but on a refresh of the page, it is actually not there. That is why Tube Toolbox is fooled into thinking it is a success - but the immediate response is "Success!" from YouTube when in actuality, it did not post.

By adding a single word to my comment, I was able to post a couple more, but then the same thing happened. So, it looks like the only way to get around it, is to enter a massive number of unique comments. Which isn't a bad idea anyway because it will look less spammy if people are receiving different messages.

Bottom line, is that the best option to send as many messages/comments as possible is to have multiple accounts (you can have 4 personal accounts for every Professional account) and multiple messages (at least 15-20). If you use this setup, you can change your minimum delay times to be a few seconds (the restriction will still occur but not as much because you have multiple accounts). This will reduce the delay times significantly. The delays are due to YouTube monitoring the sending of messages and their algorithms to find spammers. There will always be delays, it is a matter of the length of those delays.

Q. Okay, I understand the best way to send lots of messages is to have multiple accounts and multiple messages. However, when someone sends messages, shares videos & sends friend requests from multiple accounts (1 professional & 4 personal), does it all look like it is coming from the same account (i.e. their professional account)? A. No, it does not look like all are coming from the same account. If you are sending messages or sharing a video and trying to promote a YouTube channel, then we recommend styling your 4 additional accounts to look similar to your main account and having similar videos posted. That way when people look at your additional accounts, they will get information pertaining to your main account. You could also provide links and information that points them to your main account.

You cannot send Friend Requests using multiple accounts so that is not an issue. If you are sending messages using multiple accounts and have the 'Automatically send Friend Request after message' check box checked, then Tube Toolbox will ALWAYS send the Friend Request from the Professional account that you are logged in with - never the 4 additional accounts that you have selected.

If you are promoting a Website or Product outside of YouTube then it is not as important to spend time making your additional accounts look as nice because you really just want to get info about your product or service to the person and have them look at your website. You wouldn't really care as much about them visiting your YouTube Channel.

So in summary, there is no definitive link between your additional accounts and your main account. You can make your additional accounts look similar to your main account just in case people visit the page and look around. You can also tell people on your additional channels to view your main channel.


I have my Bulk Send cranked clear back to 6min send between message and 19min delay if YouTube limit is reached and I'm still getting shut down? Btw I did 15 messages for rotation so I don't know what else to do? Any help would be appreciated.
phoenixflight@fastmail.fm
Posted: Friday, April 29, 2011 8:53:17 AM
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About three years ago, May 2008, TOOLMAN wrote: BUT, we are putting out a new version of Tube Toolbox tomorrow and I will see if I can work in a send delay for Comments as well so you can truely send comments all day even when you're not at your computer.
END OF QUOTE

To date this has still not happened. Sadly you have to sit there inputting capchas manually, and even then you can find the comments sending limit is reached and keeps on blocking the sending of comments on every restart, saying limits have been reached. This is even so I am using a database of over 50 different messages which I randomly select from in order to overcome YouTube's software detecting the mass sending of comments.

My question is: when will the TubeToolbox be upgraded so comments can be sent all day even when you are not at your computer as per TOOLMAN's posting in 2008?
8itup
Posted: Friday, April 29, 2011 9:56:18 AM
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phoenixflight@fastmail.fm wrote:
About three years ago, May 2008, TOOLMAN wrote: BUT, we are putting out a new version of Tube Toolbox tomorrow and I will see if I can work in a send delay for Comments as well so you can truely send comments all day even when you're not at your computer.
END OF QUOTE

To date this has still not happened. Sadly you have to sit there inputting capchas manually, and even then you can find the comments sending limit is reached and keeps on blocking the sending of comments on every restart, saying limits have been reached. This is even so I am using a database of over 50 different messages which I randomly select from in order to overcome YouTube's software detecting the mass sending of comments.

My question is: when will the TubeToolbox be upgraded so comments can be sent all day even when you are not at your computer as per TOOLMAN's posting in 2008?


Wow 50 dif messages. I thought it was only 15 dif messages needed?
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# SENDING LIMITS # Are there any new findings concerning the actual sending limits?
aoikun
Posted: Monday, May 21, 2012 12:44:16 PM
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I would like to give some Tube Toolbox users some tips regarding video sharing: I have had a lot of fast responses from users when selecting to send randomly opposed to by date gathered. I use to send by date gathered, but in the past Tube Toolbox resulted in more errors so I switched to random sending. I've had the most success keeping my messages short and sweet, because I don't think users on Youtube want to read paragraphs of information. I also try to make the message realistic and not fake. Almost always you will get a few users on Youtube complaining that you are spamming them. Just ignore + block those Youtube users and move on!

Make sure you select: "I have already made any contact with (message, comment, etc" + "from any account on this computer" + "at any point of time" and "filter out blacklist users from all accounts." I wish you all the best of luck and the most success.

For video sharing I use dummy accounts:
Send Delay: 15 seconds minimum and 20 seconds maximum

Auto Rety: 29 mins and 50 seconds minimum
30 mins 0 seconds maximum

Ryen
Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:38:49 AM
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I like sending the bulk video category How do I make change between preset messages so you tube doesnt trick tube toolbox cause it has 4 and I know it only uses one.
parazito86
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Sometimes I got confused with all these questions :)
plutointer
Posted: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:00:37 PM
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Having read messages here related to maximum number of posts per day for any of the functions possible - ie: sending videos, messages, contact requests etc - I am assuming the maximum mentioned is over '24 hours period' for just one account (is that correct?). If so, will that maximum increase if I have 1 professional + 4 personal accounts working in rotation?

If, as also mentioned, YT is now monitoring activity linked to 'specific IP addresses' and blocking posts regardless of from which account they originate.. This being the case: if more than 1 professional account - installed on different computers but connected to the same ISP account - is used, will that confuse the YT algorithms sufficiently to allow all computers to function independently without being blocked (ie: will the IP addresses be different in that case? or will the ISP for each computer also need to be different?)... ie: One computer working 24 hours straight will allow approximately 700 share video posts to get through, but if I go to the expense of having separate computers and separate TTB professional accounts (each with 4 personal accounts to be used in rotation) passing through the same ISP server, will my sending rate multiply accordingly, or will I need to have one computer per ISP account sending for 24 hour per day? to get multiples of 700 successful posts?

I really would appreciate some feedback on these issues from toolman and/or members who are experienced in bulk sending.
Thanks in advance.
canufeel
Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 8:15:48 AM
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I know and understand all about the troubles with the accounts that used "Share Video" function of TTB.
But it seems like the accounts that use only Add Contacts feature do not have any problems so far.

So why today in the latest upgrade you did the Time Delay Limit minimum from 3min.30secs. to 5minutes for adding contacts?

With such a Time Delay for Adding Contacts it makes no sense to use that feature.

I can say that because I used Add Contacts only on my account for 2 months 24/7 with a time delay 10 secs.
So I was adding about 8500 contacts in 24 hours and I was getting from 30 to 45 subs a day.

Increasing the limit to 4 minutes in average will let me to add no more than 500 contacts.
And with my real ratio I was getting with 8500 contacts a day I can expect maximum 2-3 subscribers a day.

That's makes no sense!
Please, reduce it to at least 30secs or 1 minute maximum.

Or maybe it's a glitch? Because actually I set up 10 seconds everywhere but it is sending with the time delay from 3min30secs to 5 minutes!!!
MD
Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 8:43:09 PM
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I agree with canufeel. If the current crisis only affects the Shared Video feature and NOT the contact request, is it necessary to increase the sending delay setting for Contact Request?

Is there a way to re-install a previous version of TTB? In this case it would be Version: 2.13.5.15
I thought about doing a system restore to a previous date, although it would be a hassle, I'm not sure if my system will restore to the previous TTB version at all.
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